Unicode Hebrew proposal: nomenclature..

[Elaine Keown]

Elaine in Central Texas

Hi,

Ok, font underway, what a relief.

Now NOMENCLATURE
1) BLOCK NAME: does the Hebrew block need to
permanently be called Hebrew? If a better name would
be HEBREW-ARAMAIC SQUARE SCRIPT, should that be added
as a note?
2) SUB-BLOCK: can the sub-blocks have a different
headers, so they can be called "Tiberian cantillation
marks" or "Tiberian vowels" ??

The current Unicode Hebrew accents and vowels are
supposedly from Tiberias, on the western edge of the
Sea of Galilee....

3) Now, for individual new items. The new
stuff--which people from Holland started asking for a
year ago, by the way---divides into groups:

Babylonian accents, vowels, punctuation
has ~2 systems with some overlap
may need "The Mongolian Option"
Palestinian accents, vowels, punctuation
some serious diversity--
also a good candidate for
"The Mongolian Option"
Samaritan* vowels, punctuation
Epigraphic* punctuation

Starred items come with some built in controversy....

So should the names be.....

HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH
HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) METEG
HEBREW BABYLONIAN (COMPLEX) ATNACH
or
HEBREW SIMPLE BABYLONIAN ATNACH
HEBREW COMPLEX BABYLONIAN ATNACH

For the epigraphy:
HEBREW HIERATIC-EPIGRAPHIC NUMBER FIVE
HEBREW HIERATIC-EPIGRAPHIC NUMBER TEN

And BTW, the new stuff is regional/dialectal,
presume different underlying Hebrew dialects,
with no simple one-to-one mapping between
Tiberian and the other stuff....

Please advise....Elaine

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[Peter Constable]

Elaine:

> Now NOMENCLATURE
> 1) BLOCK NAME: does the Hebrew block need to permanently be
> called Hebrew? If a better name would be HEBREW-ARAMAIC
> SQUARE SCRIPT, should that be added as a note?
> 2) SUB-BLOCK: can the sub-blocks have a different headers,
> so they can be called "Tiberian cantillation marks" or
> "Tiberian vowels" ??

Changing the block name would be a problem as there will be existing
systems that assume that name. The sub-block names are simply
informative text in the names list file, though. I would think those
could be changed without creating problems.



> Babylonian accents, vowels, punctuation
> has ~2 systems with some overlap
> may need "The Mongolian Option"

By "The Mongolian Option", do you mean the use of variation selectors?


> So should the names be.....
>
> HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH

I don't know that parens in names are acceptable. Also, might it make
sense to hyphenate the first two words (the first word in the name of
characters in the Hebrew block doesn't need to be "HEBREW"). Hence,
HEBREW-BABYLONIAN SIMPLE ATNACH. Or, maybe it's just an ordering thing
that's striking me as odd: BABYLONIAN HEBREW SIMPLE ATNACH, perhaps?


Peter

Peter Constable
Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies
Microsoft Windows Division



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[Asmus Freytag]

At 04:24 PM 10/3/03 -0700, Peter Constable wrote:
> > HEBREW BABYLONIAN (SIMPLE) ATNACH
>
>I don't know that parens in names are acceptable. Also, might it make
>sense to hyphenate the first two words (the first word in the name of
>characters in the Hebrew block doesn't need to be "HEBREW"). Hence,
>HEBREW-BABYLONIAN SIMPLE ATNACH. Or, maybe it's just an ordering thing
>that's striking me as odd: BABYLONIAN HEBREW SIMPLE ATNACH, perhaps?

Parens may not be used this way.

Names are always adjusted in WG2 and UTC. Just propose a name that gives
your best shot, but never expect it to come out verbatim.

A./


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