Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Discussion:

Neil J Geddes

2003-08-28 12:23:22 UTC

Hello,

I'm looking for symbol set and character metric information for the two
Hewlett-Packard symbol sets "3R" (PC Cyrillic) and "9R" (Windows 3.1
Latin/Cyrillic). Specifically I'm after:-

1) .TFM files for Univers, CG Times, Courier and other common typefaces
that use Cyrllic.

2) A cross mapping table for HP MSL (Master Symbol List) to Unicode.

Thanks for any help you can offer. It's appreciated!

Best regards,

Neil Geddes
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Philippe Verdy

2003-09-03 00:07:24 UTC

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First start with this page:
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl04568.html
You may want to buy this:
"Refer to the HP PCL5 Technical Reference Bundle. To order, call HP's
driver/software distribution at 661-257-5565. The part number is
5961-0976."

You may also look at:
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl02705.html
and refer to this:
"For further information about PCL commands, HP-GL/2, macros, or PJL
commands, use the Technical Reference Manual set, part number 5021-0377.
Order the manual set from HP's Support Materials Organization."

Or you may download this:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13210/bpl13210.pdf
"PCL 5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual - ENWW - HP Part No.
5961-0509. Printed in USA. First Edition - October 1992 PCL 5 Printer
LanguageTechnical Reference Manual."
I have the same book, but dated September 1990 (this was really the
first edition), HP part number 33459-90903.

Also:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?locBasepartNum=5961-0976&lang=English%20%28US%29
"HP PCL Tech Reference Manual CD-ROM - The HP PCL Tech Reference Bundle
CD-ROM includes, the Technical Quick Reference Guide, Printer Job
Language Technical Reference Manual, PCL 5 Color Technical Reference
Manual, PCL 5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual. In English in
a PDF. Format."

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil J Geddes" <***@g-futures.com>
To: <***@unicode.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Post by Neil J Geddes
Hello,
I'm looking for symbol set and character metric information for the two
Hewlett-Packard symbol sets "3R" (PC Cyrillic) and "9R" (Windows 3.1
Latin/Cyrillic). Specifically I'm after:-
1) .TFM files for Univers, CG Times, Courier and other common

typefaces

Post by Neil J Geddes
that use Cyrllic.
2) A cross mapping table for HP MSL (Master Symbol List) to Unicode.
Thanks for any help you can offer. It's appreciated!
Best regards,
Neil Geddes

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Philippe Verdy

2003-09-03 00:42:14 UTC

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More precisely, try this file:
http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13206/bpl13206.pdf
which contains all the symbol sets charts and cross-references with the
MSL/Unicode code and their assignment in other subsets.
It is refered within the downloadable reference CDROM for the PCL
language.

The MSL index seems to be the Unicode code point, so the MSL is merely a
subset of Unicode, as used in the HP implementation of the HP PCL - GL/2
symbol sets and fonts.

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Post by Philippe Verdy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Post by Neil J Geddes
Hello,
I'm looking for symbol set and character metric information for the

two

Post by Neil J Geddes
Hewlett-Packard symbol sets "3R" (PC Cyrillic) and "9R" (Windows 3.1
Latin/Cyrillic). Specifically I'm after:-
1) .TFM files for Univers, CG Times, Courier and other common

typefaces

Post by Neil J Geddes
that use Cyrllic.
2) A cross mapping table for HP MSL (Master Symbol List) to Unicode.
Thanks for any help you can offer. It's appreciated!

Philippe Verdy

2003-09-03 08:57:22 UTC

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Did you read the last PDF, notably as it says the following about Table
D-3:

[/quote]
D - MSL/Unicode Symbol Indexes

Introduction

Table D-1, the Master Symbol List, lists all of the characters available
for the printers and their MSL index numbers. Table D-2, shows the
characters contained in the MSL symbol collections. Table D-3, the
Unicode Symbol List, lists all of the characters available for the
printers and identifies their unicode index number. Table D-4 shows
the characters contained in the unicode symbol collections.
[/quote]

Well, I misread the description myself, confused about the title of the
section, and it's true that only *some* MSL indices are identical to
the Unicode code points. It's a shame that one has to compute
the conversion by looking at glyph and names given by HP, which
do not correspond to Unicode names.
It would have been simpler if HP had referenced in its 1999 release
of its book, the Unicode code points in Table D-1, and used the official
Unicode names (additionally the table D-3 should have listed the
MSL index in a reverse index, and not used the decimal code points
but hexadecimal notation U+xxxx).
But joining D-1 nad D-3 is possible, and allows creating the conversion
table between MSL to Unicode.

Philippe.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil J Geddes" <***@g-futures.com>
To: "Philippe Verdy" <***@wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Hello Philippe,

Thank you very much for your messages and for taking the time to
respond. I appreciate this.

I had already checked most of these resources (like you I have the older
paper manuals) however none provide symbol charts for the Cyrillic
character sets. I think I really need to locate TFM files if available.
MSL isn't the same as Unicode however I have found a MSL -> CG table
which should help me.

Thanks again,
Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:***@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:42 AM
To: Neil J Geddes; ***@unicode.org
Subject: Re: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

More precisely, try this file:
http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13206/bpl13206.pdf
which contains all the symbol sets charts and cross-references with the
MSL/Unicode code and their assignment in other subsets. It is refered
within the downloadable reference CDROM for the PCL language.

The MSL index seems to be the Unicode code point, so the MSL is merely a
subset of Unicode, as used in the HP implementation of the HP PCL - GL/2
symbol sets and fonts.

Philippe.
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Neil J Geddes

2003-09-03 14:08:06 UTC

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Thanks Philippe. What I really need now is access to additional Euro-Asian HP TFM files.

Regards, Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:***@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Neil J Geddes
Cc: ***@unicode.org
Subject: Re: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Did you read the last PDF, notably as it says the following about Table
D-3:

[/quote]
D - MSL/Unicode Symbol Indexes

Introduction

Table D-1, the Master Symbol List, lists all of the characters available for the printers and their MSL index numbers. Table D-2, shows the characters contained in the MSL symbol collections. Table D-3, the Unicode Symbol List, lists all of the characters available for the printers and identifies their unicode index number. Table D-4 shows the characters contained in the unicode symbol collections. [/quote]

Well, I misread the description myself, confused about the title of the section, and it's true that only *some* MSL indices are identical to the Unicode code points. It's a shame that one has to compute the conversion by looking at glyph and names given by HP, which do not correspond to Unicode names. It would have been simpler if HP had referenced in its 1999 release of its book, the Unicode code points in Table D-1, and used the official Unicode names (additionally the table D-3 should have listed the MSL index in a reverse index, and not used the decimal code points but hexadecimal notation U+xxxx). But joining D-1 nad D-3 is possible, and allows creating the conversion table between MSL to Unicode.

Philippe.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil J Geddes" <***@g-futures.com>
To: "Philippe Verdy" <***@wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

Hello Philippe,

Thank you very much for your messages and for taking the time to respond. I appreciate this.

I had already checked most of these resources (like you I have the older paper manuals) however none provide symbol charts for the Cyrillic character sets. I think I really need to locate TFM files if available. MSL isn't the same as Unicode however I have found a MSL -> CG table which should help me.

Thanks again,
Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:***@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:42 AM
To: Neil J Geddes; ***@unicode.org
Subject: Re: Cyrillic character mapping tables, HP MSL to Unicode

More precisely, try this file: http://h200007.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13206/bpl13206.pdf
which contains all the symbol sets charts and cross-references with the MSL/Unicode code and their assignment in other subsets. It is refered within the downloadable reference CDROM for the PCL language.

The MSL index seems to be the Unicode code point, so the MSL is merely a subset of Unicode, as used in the HP implementation of the HP PCL - GL/2 symbol sets and fonts.

Philippe.
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